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 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:12 am Post subject: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html
As predicted five years ago in the UPD Yahoo group, there will be a Mini-Ice Age and temps are going lower and not higher and glaciers and ice formations are growing back. Global warming if true, has been reversing and become global cooling. This proves everything about global warming as false and also proves that the numbers, data, reports, and books and files were faked, fudged, and cooked, and that the scientists behind this all don't know jack shit about what is going on with the climate and their climate model is obviously flawed and incomplete and not scientific but junk science and doesn't follow the scientific method at all.
So please explain how global warming causes lower temps and more snow and ice and glaciers to form. I'd really like to know as I am just some hillbilly dumb American with an American education and not a potsmoker with crazy conspiracy theories or the product of an European education system that flunked out of it like Vaipen did, or didn't even get good grades in science as Al Gore or Joe didn't get anything but D- in science classes. I only got straight-As in a bachelor of science and associate of science and at the Academy of Science for High School, so obviously I am not qualified for this stuff, but dropouts and flunkers like Vaipen and Joe are qualified because they have smoked more pot than me and thus believe these crazy conspiracy theories and ignore other sources of heat like The Sun and solar activity, volcanoes and say global warming is 100% man-made and nothing else contributes to it. We have global warming on Mars and even Pluto because of solar activity and there is nothing living there to pollute, but the New World Order conspiracy theories claim Alien Nazi Lizardmen live in Hollow Earth and have SUVs with tailpipes that reach other planets to cause global warming on them. This is weather and is related to climate, do not get the two of them confused. But there is a correlation as the weather is caused by the climate .
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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First of all, I was in NYS Regents for all the sciences, and scored 90 or more on the Regents exams on my way to a Regents scholarship. I'm no dummy.
And you're confusing weather with climate. The climate is warming, of that there's no doubt. NASA: November was the Warmest on Record | WWF Climate Blog There's no new ice age here, man.
Today's temperatures are cold in the US and much of the Northern Hemisphere, that's true. However, the Arctic Ocean and the surrounding lands are warmer than usual. 
Over all, temperatures are going up, but of course the cold Arctic air has to go somewhere to get warmed up, so it comes down here by convection as the pole air warms, expands and creates air currents the same way the ocean does on a warm Summer's afternoon.
And you think thousands of scientists conspired to corrupt data and support an unsupportable global warming hypothesis and you call us conspiracy nuts?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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Yes because that photo is not real and made by Photoshop. I can see the Photoshop markup numbers in the picture data. The photo is not the original photo but a doctored one. Do you take me for a fool Joe?
Give me the raw numbers from the scientific report and let me put them in Excel and run a margin of error test on them to see if they are random samples or cherry picked. If you cannot do that, you admit the data is cooked. You should know this is part of the scientific method.
Climate is related to the weather, there is a correlation there. If you really got a 90 on that NYS Regents test you'd know that as I scored 98 on it myself.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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You're treading on thin ice, OB. I don't doctor photos and that one is linked directly from Nasa: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/42000/42260/NorthHemLSTanom_TMO_200912.jpg
You can disagree all you want, but don't start accusing people of making up facts or doctoring photos. You can get the raw climate data from various places on the Internet, you can use google, can't you?
And to correct you, the weather is a consequence of the climate, not the other way around.
It's not really worth arguing about anymore. It's happening and we're doing nothing to stop spewing more and more CO2 into the air every day, and now it appears the methane hydrates along the Arctic shoreline and thawing and methane concentrations are rising. Arctic permafrost leaking methane at record levels, figures show | Environment | guardian.co.uk
I'm with James Lovelock, "Enjoy life while you can. Because if you're lucky it's going to be 20 years before it hits the fan.".
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: Re: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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Oh yes it is worth arguing over and once again your reading comprehension fails to get what my original message said. I did say:
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This is weather and is related to climate, do not get the two of them confused. But there is a correlation as the weather is caused by the climate .
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Once again you misunderstood what I had said. Took words out of my mouth and twisted them to suit your own personal political agenda like any political dirtbag would do.
Obviously you are trying to stop debate by playing chicken little and saying the world is going to end. That is a guilt trip and 100% total bullcrap and you know it. The green movement has polluted and harmed the Earth more than any other movement because of Maurice Strong and others who own FOSSIL FUEL STOCKS AND COMPANIES whose corruption rivals even that of the NEW WORLD ORDER conspiracies you and Vaipen spew out. If you really want to stop global warming, tell the green movement to stop destroying the Earth and let us use solar cells, water turbines, windmills, geothermic energy, and build space based solar power with NASA to cut down on fossil fuel energy generation and shut down all the coal and oil producing plants. Then make solar, wind, and electric cars that don't pollute.
Real scientists started to get fired during the Reagan years and then the Space Shuttle program became a joke as it blew up too much. NASA became highly incompetent and the Russians and Chinese caught up and now have Moon missions of their own. Do you know the running joke about NASA? NASA=Need Another Seven Astronauts. A real scientist would use a real quality control program of six sigma and zero defects to make sure that no shuttle ever has a problem or blows up or gets damaged in flight. NASA is full of morons, idiots, and retards now, and the smart people who can fix this bullshit aren't even hired due to politics as the dumb people are hired from diploma mills who can work Photoshop and cook the books and fudge data to get more government funding and grants. Are you fricking kidding me that you didn't even know that? Just look at the certification of the scientists, either they got their degree at a diploma mill or they don't even hold a degree in natural science and it is political science, social science, government, law, or even psychology or gasp education (with a high school understanding of natural science for all). Maurice Strong used his political connections to get his friends jobs at NASA to cook up this BS.
Maurice Strong is hiding in China and turning them into a polluter worse than the USA in a few years. He owns the Cherry car company and Cherry cars are used in Asian nations with high pollution ratings because they are the worst polluters in the world. The Cherry cars are really lemons and won't pass the EPA, until Strong and others in the green movement bribe EPA officials to pass them and then we'll have them on our streets and highways.
Since you and Vaipen support him and his conspiracy theories, he will take away our freedoms and move us toward tyranny. The smart grid will spy on us and cause people to die needlessly. He'll make us all get RFID chips in our hands or foreheads and number us like cattle and even more. He controls the EU, Canada, and USA, and now controls China and will soon control more nations via lobbyists and mega-corporations he owns.
Since you are too lazy to even bother to get the data and do a peer review, I grabbed the data from one web site and found a 47.86% margin of error in the collected data. Now please tell me what that means. Also tell me why no global warming report calculates the margin of error even if it is required by the scientific method.
NASA cannot even get the Hubble Telescope working correctly, and messed up every shuttle they had and eventually had to mothball them due to their incompetence because they fired the scientists and replaced them with politcal scientists or politicians since the Reagan years. So yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they Photoshoped images just to get more federal funding. Since global warming is a political thing if they can doctor the data and fake the photos they stand to gain more grants to study it. Which is why modern science is so corrupt now.
But you and Vaipen call me Hannibal Lechter. "Can you still hear the screams of the lambs, Clarice?" 
For Pete's Sake yes I do want to save the planet, but I have to deal with people like you Joe and Vaipen who prevent real technology and real solutions from being used to save the planet before time does in fact run out. If anyone is ruining the planet it is people like you two who hold up real progress into real green technology because Maruice Strong manipulates you like puppets to do his bidding and I'll bet you don't even know who he is or why he is doing all this bullcrap? He controls the federal reserve and most banks as well. It ain't the banks and David Rockefeller you need worry about nor the NWO, it is all Maurice Strong and his phony green movement to run up his fossil fuel stocks and mega-corporations on fear mongering via conspiracy theories. It ain't no conspiracy because he does all of this stuff out in the open, wake up and smell the coffee he even controls the illegal drug markets and some gangsters and mafias as well.
Global warming may or may not be true, I really don't give a flying frack, I want an end to the use of fossil fuels even worse than you do. Unlike you Joe, I don't profit from fossil fuels by buying oil stocks and manipulating the market with peak oil and global warming propaganda being regurgitated like a baby's pablium. I am not a pablium puking liberal like you and Vaipen, I am a moderate libertarian (if a liberal a classic liberal like our founding fathers and not a modern liberal that is destroying the planet) and a modern pirate and a modern ninja, and I studied both science and religion in my many years of college and study. I know all the corrupting going on, I know all the political plays, and you cannot BS me or guilt me into it like he did to you.
Don't lay that stuff on me, you are just upset that you've both become a victim of some stuff you started long ago and it is coming back to bite you on the butt now.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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| Orion Blastar wrote: | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html
As predicted five years ago in the UPD Yahoo group, there will be a Mini-Ice Age and temps are going lower and not higher and glaciers and ice formations are growing back. Global warming if true, has been reversing and become global cooling. This proves everything about global warming as false and also proves that the numbers, data, reports, and books and files were faked, fudged, and cooked, and that the scientists behind this all don't know jack shit about what is going on with the climate and their climate model is obviously flawed and incomplete and not scientific but junk science and doesn't follow the scientific method at all. |
This is a matter of trust.
These days, for some reasons, some more obvious than others no doubt, people have lost faith in science just as much as they lost their cultural identity or religious faith.
In these days of information overflow, lies and energy lobby propaganda have successfully sabotages the trust we put in the scientific process and every little 'gate' they can muster up or launch, by their media campaigns and spin doctors, is successfully targeted at people such as yourself. All those beleif the lie for various reasons. That aside.
There is too much opinion and too little facts. All the while scientists try to give explanations for what is going on on our world. But people are doubtful aqnd they do not understand the scientific process.
When that peer review process fails, as we can see in the Himalayan glacier melting by 2035, which turns out to be unlikely, they are proven right and lose more trust.
Science is allw e have to determine with any certainty what the world is like, to describe it in facts and unbiased terms.
You were suckered into the Great Lie as well. Climate change or AGW as some call it is real. But you have hopped on the energy lobby's lies because some people are vulnerable to the underdog position that the energy lobby has claimed for itself, suggesting back then that the media didn't give ample time to their views of doubt.
Some jkust like to oppose any thesis because when someone else states an opinion, their knee-jerk reaction is to disagree because the stated opi8nion by another make them feel they are dumb. So they oppose things kust to feel smarter.
Than there is a group that just likes to pollute and be unaware of it and live their lives in ignorance: everything that rains on that parade must be declined as truth.
In debunkers, all this combines but all simple minded skeptics share at least one of these character flaws.
Despite peer review sometimes failing (and 500 external reviewers of the Himalayan glacier research also slept) the IPCC overall report stands with its hundreds of good solid studies.
By emphasizing the errors you do not get to be right about the whole deal.
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So please explain how global warming causes lower temps and more snow and ice and glaciers to form. |
If you need to ask this it shows that you are not a climate scientist. Beyond that, you are not qualified to do peer reviews of raw data provided by teams on the ground and those who studied for these tasks. You are also pretty dumb if you do not comprehend the difference between weather and climate. This at least you should be able to understand.
None of us here are qualified to make any judgment on research and that is done by reviewers and editors, as the peer review process goes.
We can only superficially debate these things based on websites and second hand information, distilled from complex reports that are dumbed down so that you and I could possibly understand them.
In that thing lies the difficulty and the breeding of lies and doubt among debunkers like you. You prey on doubt, the lack of understanding in scientific methodology, as you appeal to most peoples psychological insecurities and general hatred towards those who know better and the government and whatever else they feel is bigger than their own dick.
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I'd really like to know as I am just some hillbilly dumb American |
Although you are, I too have not the education to verify research papers. I make no claim I do and neither should you.
Instead you should contain your debunkeries and start to trust people a little more. Most scientist are working truthfully and checked by peer review and politics to understand the changes in our climate. All you can do is scoff at them claiming they are each indovidually and as groups, liars and cheats.
That is not helping them nor you.
I have faith in the good will of those researchers, scientists and scholars. Why do you not, if not for your ego, that was bought by energy lobby money and media campaigns?
| Quote: | | because they have smoked more pot than me |
So you admit to have somked pot? That is new! I do not blame you or think lesser of you. I think a little more highly of you actually.
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and thus believe these crazy conspiracy theories and ignore other sources of heat like The Sun and solar activity, volcanoes and say global warming is 100% man-made and nothing else contributes to it. |
A lie. That is not what the science says, suggests or conveys at all.
You make the deliberate 'error' by non-representativeness. Or perhaps it is alos a strawman: your weaken the argument or rather, lie about what your opponents say and then attack that falsehood.
Well done! We are only too incredible to fall for that.
Your questions scream to me like a man drowning in information but he can't collect his thoughts to because he understands little.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Global warming is true, and it is so bad that it became so hot that it turned cold |
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| Orion Blastar wrote: | | Yes because that photo is not real and made by Photoshop. I can see the Photoshop markup numbers in the picture data. The photo is not the original photo but a doctored one. Do you take me for a fool Joe? |
Leave your paranoia out of discussions.
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Give me the raw numbers from the scientific report and let me put them in Excel and run a margin of error test on them to see if they are random samples or cherry picked. If you cannot do that, you admit the data is cooked. You should know this is part of the scientific method. |
You are not qualified to get any sensible meaning or fact from such data Orion. You lack the understanding required to form conclusions or see the relevance and interwoven complexities that come with other studies that shine a light on such data. To be able to do so means you are a climate scientist, someone who spends a lifetime doing everything to be able to learn how to interpret such data correctly.
Like I said, we can only take dumbed down reports and debate over them in our folly and lack of understanding.
It is annoying not to be god isn't it and to have to trust others to provide meaningful insight in our world. That hurts a lot of people. Everyone thinks these days with the internet on screen and mouse in hand they are peer reviewers and experts on just about anything.
In truth, Mister Mass Public is too shitfaced stupid drunk and high on society and oil and the meanderings of their tiny lives to be able to understand even a few basic principles of our climate.
Had there been internet in Darwin's days', no doubt the Church would have started a public awareness strategy and paid pseudo-scientists to raise doubt on Eviolution Theory. You think on that in the country where religious morosity is kindles in youngsters and intelligent design has taken a foothold. No wonder that people such as yourself have trouble trusting scientists when from a young age large masses of the populace are being forced to become aware of religious dogma and ways of thinking.
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Climate is related to the weather, there is a correlation there. If you really got a 90 on that NYS Regents test you'd know that as I scored 98 on it myself. |
Test scores mean a lot in america because I see this in every program on america somehow. But test scores do not mean you have half a brain. They are not IQ tests, just polls to your accumulated textbook knowledge.
Test scores do not prove you are able to understand climate science, not any other specific field of research. Test scores don't get you to work at CERN or at NASA. They do not qualify you for anything.
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